Saturday, October 16, 2010

the lie

this is the height of irony.  here bill johnson is speaking about identifying the devil's lie, and i identify almost immediately the lie in what he is saying, and he (probably) has no clue.  and in saying what he is saying, or failing to say, he is (unwittingly?) teaching people to ignore some basics, like our utter inability to do ANYTHING, and exhalts our own abilities and responsibility for God's will to come to pass.



some thoughts...

1. he speaks slowly and thoughtfully, it brings about a mellow receptivity to whatever he has to say... because of my background, that sends up red flags immediately.

2. 1:35 or so, he says, "The Holy Spirit will lead you into a conflict, but only the ones you are equipped to win.  He intentionally leads you around conflicts you are not prepared to win."  at about 2:15, "He leads you into a conflict that you are not only prepared to win, you have the heart to win.  Now any person, any single believer, from the strongest one who walks the planet to the weakest one, every person is capable of turning in fear if they feed their heart on the wrong stuff.  If you dwell on the wrong things long enough, you will adopt a reaction, a fear reaction."

  • what about all the times God took His people into captivity to crush them and bring them to repentence? they didn't win those conflicts.  all the times Paul was shipwrecked and thrown in jail... he didn't win those conflicts.
  • our hearts are deceitfully wicked, and incapable of walking with God without His enablement... our hearts are not able to do anything BUT fear, unless He Himself makes us fearless....
  • he is stating even the weakest person has the ability to not turn in fear if they feed their hearts on the right stuff.... ergo, if you fail, it's because you didn't do it right, it's all your own fault.  it's up to you to manipulate things so that you win, every time.

3. at about 3:45 he says, "When a word comes to us, it must be tested.  Words must be tested for 2 reasons; you have to know that what was spoken over you was absolutely true." and i just showed that this word is highly flawed and is thus not absolutely true... by his own criteria.  "You won't know the strength of a word until you see the strength of it's opposition." but he later goes on to say the opposition doesn't have any power, except for the power that we give it.... (except we don't have power of our own!).  "Secondly, a promise is given that must be tested, because your reward for receiving the promise must be released to you based on you having an option."  but as far as i know, the ultimate promise is given not by our choice, but by Christ's choice to go to the cross on our behalf; because we do not have the power to make a choice in ourself. Christ died because of our INABILITY to choose right.  ...so how can it be any different for 'lesser' promises, whatever they might be? 

.... and then he talks about transferring power from yourself to satan, seemingly to validate his last statement.

this is where i stand:

manipulating and transferring power to something or away from something is controllling spiritual powers and is witchcraft.  we are to have nothing to do with it; we have no power of our own to transfer to satan...  and God will not allow the authority of Christ to be transferred to satan.  our only appropriate stance is to confess to Christ, we have no power, You have it all, we are at Your mercy, Your will be done.

all this magical manipulating of powers is witchcraft under a christian guise.

it's not : witchcraft is the manipulation of dark powers (a counterfeit), but 'wielding' God's power is ok (the "real thing")....

it is: witchcraft is the manipulation of spiritual powers in any way shape or form; only God is to manipulate, use, shape, govern the spiritual powers...  ANY form of spiritual manipulation on our part IS the counterfeit, it's us trying to be 'as God'.  

this is THE LIE in one of it's most insidious, dangerous, deceptive forms... because we think it's part of the real deal and honors God.... when it doesn't.

~lynnie

*edit* just had to add a link to this sermon that i just listened to that provides an entirely different view on 'winning' as it pertains to the christian life..... 
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